I'm just curious.What are anti-feminists hoping to accomplish by ranting against feminism in this forum?
I have an even better question, one more important than the one you've asked. What do women in this forum expect to achieve by debating men who don't, won't and never will have the compassion to give a damn about anything that any woman here has to say? Do you think you're earning points on the scoreboard of higher morality by engaging fools with the intellect of imbeciles? Is this some kind of pissing match? Instead of ranting about the men who rant against you, why not just consistently block them from your conversations? Or is that something your deeper woman would never allow you to do? Kind of like an instinctual impulse to please men, no matter how inappropriately they behave with you? Why don't you stop asking questions like this, and take charge of your destiny, and simply remove them from your existence? And just keep doing it until they no longer have the power to abuse you through this media. But again, that would be too manly for a feminist to act with the severity of a man! Instead, like the majority of abused women, you'd rather stifle this suggestion (and likely my presence) so that you can keep engaging in the futility of your current actions.
Shingoshi DaoWhat are anti-feminists hoping to accomplish by ranting against feminism in this forum?
Thanks Tera, although you made the good choice for best answer.
Great question :-)
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This is pointless topic. Everyone knows feminists in our times are doing things that border on hatecrimes. Feminism is now hatecrime because of the level of antimale ideas that are constantly going around!!
@Lycra- ';level playing field.'; How much more leverage does this ';playing'; field need? Constructive criticism is always welcomed in any debatable discussion. But if People think that constructive criticism involves insults, demeaning and/or is degrading in nature, then, they only devalue themselves to questions or answers that is of a legitimate query. And therefore, your perception of a ';level playing field'; does not become an equal or balanced field in that manner. It's just a playing field to throw out rants, accusations and senseless drivels.
@Question- No one can accomplish anything by making a mockery out of everything that is asked, said or answered. It's a vicious circle that continues to spin out of control. Hopefully, People realize that no one is out to get anyone. All it is, is that, some people don't understand the legitimate reason as to WHY Feminism is what it is. Only those who believe in equality and not inequality will ever understand. I'm pretty sure anti-feminists knows oh too well about unfair treatment, as they have mentioned it many times over. See the picture? Both sides being treated unfairly? Something in common, huh?
So if anti-feminists feel that they are affected by Feminism? Then, by all means, let's be constructive in offering or suggesting improvements in a civil manner. I am pretty sure any Feminist would enjoy hearing or reading what you have to say. Not a guarantee they will agree, but at least it's a start. There's no harm in that.
EDIT Lycra- I do agree that some do have a solid and legitimate points to issues. But, that does not excuse the fact that some, not all, do post illigitimate questions and answers to questions and/or opinions that does not offer any plans, solutions or logical means to an issue that deserves attention in its own right.
Out of ALL the Q's %26amp; A's that I have seen and read, majority is non-productive. There are some that understands the points that an opposition is trying to convey. But People don't have to drive their words with hate words and be the actual creator of a bashing war. People don't have to decipher or assume what is being said. If People can't make themselves clear in what they are saying, then you leave the reader to do a self-interpretation of what someone is saying.
So if personal hateful differences are put aside, then there is hope that everyone can have a decent discussion on what ever the topic may be. Let's not have ignorance influence our words. Fair enough?
ANTI - ';ANYTHING'; for that matter is not the way to handle things around here...
Hear me all ye sexiest of the world, i don't blame you for being who you are!
GOD is androgenous not as a duality but as one with duality, why can't we just all figure that one out!
I know this is one real problem when it comes to religion, career and family...
HEY GUYS let's give TERA here some sensible insights or just play it cool!
I was once called a ';ROMANTIC RAPIST'; by a sexiest in bed! ';how's that for a change?';
IT'S OUR JOB TO BE LOVERS NOT FIGHTERS!
CHANGE isn't all about force but elicitation...
';IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHO'S IN CONTROL OR NOT,
IT'S A QUESTION OF WHO KNOWS WHO! i think that's fair enough!';
I say what I believe in. No insult or harm to anyone. I believe in myself and that is all I speak about. Cheers
I agree with sh's advice-just block the idiots. They're not worth your time. They'll whine that you're afraid, but it's your free time--in the real world would you waste a second on these creeps? That's what they want, to be able to harangue and have someone to vent their rage towards-they don't want to discuss a thing, just argue and rant. Just notice who rants about being blocked--the majority of the sane people could care less. This is not a place to be nice-they aren't!
You can always tell the I.Q of the person by his remarks or comments. To rant and rave about any thing is a sign of a troubled mind. Some do it to get a reaction from you. If they upset you they win. other wise there losers
Decode this lyrics '; Woman in love';
Look in the real world.
Decode this lyrics '; You raised me up';
At how ';Venus'; and ';Proud Mary';
Getting kick on the butts as casualty of the dead Mummy in not worshiping God.
Exodus 20.1-6
Leviticus 26.1, 13
1 Timothy 2.9-15
Titus 2.3-5
Decode this lyrics '; Hurting each other';
What do you think?
First off, your premise that criticizing feminism as amounting to misogyny is completely flawed. This is a typical illogical feminist argument; they fail to establish causation between their assertions and their conclusions. Criticizing feminism is not causatively linked to misogyny, chauvanism, sexism or any other nonsensical behaviour.
Secondly, pointing out the facts %26amp; figures and drawing logical deductions from them does not amount to innacuracy. There is no question that these facts, figures, etc. reflect feminism in a bad light. But whose fault is that?
';Feminism is NOT about ';female supremacy.';
Yes, it is. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this position. This is fundamentally why people become anti-feminists.
';you're in a WOMEN's forum. Do you think many women are going to appreciate your insults';
A woman's forum? Gender %26amp; Women's studies? How sexist. I'd like to see where it stipulates in the TOS that men are forbidden having any say in gender issues. Furthermore, whether women appreciate criticism or not is irrelevant. Like I said, whose fault is it if it reflects feminism in a bad light.
Actually, as an anti-feminist, my goal is to expose feminism in its true light so as to raise awareness for the ignorant. Don't expect me, let alone any other anti-feminist, to stop, either. The good news is that large men's movements are happening as we speak, with the aims of rebalancing the scales of equality; something which feminists do not intend to do and never intended to do.
';In this forum I can name quite a few ';misconceptions'; as well. It's a misconception that feminists are female supremacists, that feminists don't care at all about men's issues';
If feminists cared about men's issues, they would be addressing the injustices and inequalities men face.
';that we are responsible for the destruction of the institution of marriage,';
Feminism IS responsible, moron. Ever since the feminist mystique was published in 1963, it had henceforth resulted in the decline of marriage, and, overall, the destruction of the family unit. Besides, it was one of their stated aims. Afterall, wasn't marriage ';oppressive';? By the way, I'd like to add that feminists are also responsible for turning the whole institution of marriage into a complete joke.
';that we're responsible for the rise in crime ';
90% of the criminal population were raised in single-mother homes. Have a guess who perpetrated that? Feminists causing biased judicial and family courts against men, and thus resulting in the rise of single mother households. So there is no doubt a correlation between the rise of crime and single mother households.
';that we are destroying the fabric of the American family';
Feminism is, duh! Like I said, it has caused the breakdown of the family unit.
Misconceptions, no. Reality, yes.
You seriously need to stop applying your biases and see the bigger picture here. Feminism IS NOT about equality for crying out loud!
So get that through your damn head. Or you can just continue acting in denial to avoid the incontrovertible truth, like all the other feminists out there. Let me guess, that's just exactly what you will do.
i think the anti-feminists here want 3 things
-they want to be noticed by females
-they want to make us angry
-and they want to congratulate themselves on how very smart and very tough they are. ( though invisible)
In some ways it reminds me of an 8 year old boy throwing mud on a little girl, just so he will be noticed.
Tera: I mostly enjoy discussing with you, however, you have stumped yourself here...
';Feminism is NOT about ';female supremacy.'; ....you're in a WOMEN's forum.';
Whereas, the forum is a ';GENDER %26amp; women's studies'; - so you're basically saying only women matter in talks of the genders. Rather sexist, no?
Anyway, my point in being here is to remind folk that men are people too, not just 'orrible mutant genes, or dumb boys to be kept out of lessons, or any of the other stuff the feminist 'icons' and 'leaders' have to say about us.
As this forum is about 'genders', we are just as welcome here - as feminists. That removes the claim that we are 'trolls', we are simply the otherside of your coin. We oppose the misandry (try looking that up in MS Word's spellchecker vs misogyny), we oppose those who promote female supremacy (and yes, they do exist) and much more. No, trolling is simply making inflamatory remarks (e.g. all feminists are butch hairly lesbians with huge strapons) - which I think you'll find, I've never done. Just because I don't see eye to eye with your perception does not make me a lesser being, nor, contrary to much feminist teaching, does owning a penis make me a less being either.
None of the above. I am just here to inform newbies, undecided ect and to allow men to realise how hypocritcal the feminised family law and domestic violence laws are, oh and point out all the lies from feminist statistics and bogus reports from (corrupt)academia.
Anyway I am here to stay so get used to it because frankly I dont care about you and your beliefs. Thats up to you, like mine are up to me.
Cheers for the 2pts
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Tera
Hate to break it to you love but this is not a womans forum. Geez the gawl of you
you may have a few points and I understand being ';passionate';, but this still sound like a broke record.
Lycra... you also have a few points, but I still feel that a number of anti-feminist posters here are waiting to be offended by comments or questions asked, but I guess the same could be said for the opposing side also, thus for BROKEN RECORD... I just long for NO opposing sides, not that we are to all agree, just hope the conversations here would be less about blaming others and more about debate and FINDING THE EQUALITY WE ALL STRIVE FOR
JMHO
I don't rant, but I come hear to remind people that not all women are feminists. These days, feminism is WAY MORE than equality. It is out of control. If you had a son, you would not want him growing up in a world like this, would you? Thinking he is a piece of garbage, evil, whatever, just because he is a boy? You do not correct one extreme with the other. Yes, MANY years ago, women needed protection. It is 2007. Lets get over it and stop demeaning our sons, husbands, and fathers.
wow.
after reading your bit about how this is a womans forum - I thought I had it sussed. then I all of your responses and the answers. - then I realised I was right.
you prove a point.
I havent mentioned which point have I, and I dont have to, you shout it loud enough with out me helping.
*sighs*
I don't even get surprised at some answerers here, as they repeat themselves at nauseum. Is like playing a broken record, no new information, no new enlightenment, just repeating the same old sentences. Boring, as boring it is the way (again) they answer to you, with more whining, ranting and insults.
They keep shouting ';misandry';, and I still have no links, where in this category are so ';many'; women hating men, after six months here, as usual I just see pages of a) stupid sexist questions b)irrelevant misogynist questions c) questions that have NOTHING to do with the topic ...and the few intelligent questioners or a) get bashed /insulted b) get hacked c) get nasty mails etc....
This is a wonderful question, as I question myself the same thing, my own conclusions have been that, if they want to fight ';misandry';, the opposite is happening, because no one wants to be insulted in a constant basis, this gives all the feminists the opposite reaction, the proof that there is a LOT to be done in Western society, example of this: just read some answers above me.(lol)
I think there are many reasons why so many live 24/7 in here:
1- They are extremely sour/hurt at some woman(en) that hurt them, therefore ';all'; women have to be the same
2- Lack of information
3- Some flirt this way, or they ';think'; they are flirting, not realizing how unattractive actually they are
4- Narcissism: attention, even if it is negative attention
5- Perhaps no job, or a boring job
So many great contributors have left, men and women, someday, I come here, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, when at last there is an intelligent question, I have to still scroll down the so many insulting answers, the so many multiple accounts. When it is time I want to answer something, I am already tired (lol)
Before coming here I didn't know if I could call myself a feminist, after six months in this category, I consider myself one. Thanks to the anti-feminists, I am more than ever interested in the topic! ;-)
Edit to Shingosidao: Good point
Edit to Lycra: You didn't read my answer, I am referring JUST to some posters in this category in Yahoo, but if the hat fits...oh well (lol)
I dont consider myself antifeminist
i do consider myself antigender feminist
Tera there are jerks on my side the guys side . i freely admit that .
What you need to do is to freely admit that there are jerks on your side of the fence
then you need to do something about those jerks that are on your side of the fence
what frustrates men with gender based feminism is that any criticism is met with the same demagogory that the American NATIONAL RIFFLE ASSOCIATION is known for .
there is a refusal to attempt to prevent any collatteral damage from gender feminism
there is a refusal to say hey we could have hurt people by mistake on behalf of gender based feminist
there is a refusal to try to empathize with the other side
most men today whether they support feminism equity based , gender based or non-feminism do realy try to empathize with women
the same cannot be said for gender based feminism
gender based feminism has become not a tool for equality but for oppression
You already stuffed your question up when you said feminism was about equality. Then you stuffed it up more by associating anti-feminism (anti-female supremacy) with misogyny.
Write it again if you want any constructive replies. I may as well just ask what you hoped to achieve by asking a ridiculous and insulting question just now.
Edit: I can't believe flyinghorse is referring to other people as boring.
Hey, on your list of crimes you forgot that it was 'feminists on the 'grassy knoll'......
All joking aside, the reason why these men constantly post things like what you've described is because they don't know how to look after themselves and they were taught supposedly well-defined roles in life and anything that doesn't match how they feel or what they view to be reality, they 'throw the dummy out of the pram' and do the ol' misery loves company. So, instead of looking around at reality and seeing life for what it really is, they look for someone to blame. They want the rest of the world to be just as miserable as they are so they look to change the views of ALL of the world and go back to a time where women had no say in life in general.
I'm sure these men are very welcome in Saudi Arabia where 'their women' can stay at home and never leave the house unless accompanied by a man, along with not having an education and you can forget about voting as well.
These ranters want it both ways. They want to argue points up and down yet want to be able to put that same woman 'in her place'. It isn't logical. The very fact that they CAN argue with the women around them is the result of feminism. They have forgotten that there was a time when a woman who spoke 'out of turn' would have been beaten by her husband and that would have been acceptable.
The interesting part is in my years on this planet, I have only met TWO women who were what anyone would insultingly call a 'feminazi' and these women I felt sorry for because I could tell their views were the result of being badly burned by the men in their lives and like wounded animals they were lashing out at the world, ie; men. Contrast this with the centuries of women having to bear sexist cartoons, harassment, beatings, rapes, you name it and these things were ALL acceptable and weren't the result of any kind of damage or individual response to a negative stimulus.
Do any of us really want to go back to that sort of world? Also, there is a definite need for the strength of women that these whingers and ranters and wind-up merchants miss completely. Let's be real and look at the majority. Men rape and murder about 10000 to 1 compared to women. Now if there are women in life who follow these strict gender roles - set by men - then where is the voice of reason? That wife, girlfriend, partner who will stand up to a man when he is considering a despicable act. In fact, if one looks at the case of Myra Hindley, it isn't hard to consider that if she'd been taught that men aren't the rulers of all and that she had a voice, then might she have not been swayed by him to follow along in such senseless, detrimental acts? She would have been much less likely to seek his approval by following along.
For all the men I see and hear about who live out the cliche of 'that man needs a 'good woman' there are those who can't see past the nose on the end of their face and see that the 'good women' they are looking for ARE the very same feminists they are condemning. This is a trite generalisation but one that is needed to get the point across.
Obviously, there are sensible, intelligent men in the world but we aren't addressing them are we?
I, for one, don't have the luxury of sitting at home waiting for 'Mr Right' to come along because I have bills and rent to pay. We don't live in the world anymore where we have these 'women sit at home tugging the forelock' and men go out and do what the hell they want anymore.
That isn't the result of 'feminism'. The world would have had a majour shift in governments, economy, sociology and geography. The world will continue to change and we either must 'go with the flow' or be rigid and watch as the world changes and we sit there making ourselves bitter and crying about what 'could have been' or how we'd like the world to be.
I've spent my whole life travelling and it would be in this late stage of life, near impossible for me to 'settle down' with a man who was (a) less experienced (b) less intelligent and (c) argumentative. Who has time to teach their husband, boyfriend, partner everything about everything in life?
I look at these ranters as 'weak'. If they were strong they would look at themselves and use their precious energy to make the world a better place instead of using it to lash out at all and sundry.
Really. I find 'jokes' about rape on this forum disturbing and the reason why it is disturbing is because if the rest of the world began to make something so abominable as rape a laughing stock then understanding of the damage it does would lose it's potency. Sort of like how HIV is still around yet young people nowadays take unbelievable risks and also actively seek out those who are infected in order to become infected themselves. It isn't a joke.
It appears that all this supposed humour is coming from a well of misunderstanding. I read that one man brought up that rape isn't about power and that 'feminist logic' is wrong. The last I heard or looked, penetrating someone's anus with a broom handle and leaving their intestines ruptured and internally bleeding - as in the case of a man who was raped by some officers in the NYPD years ago - wasn't what I and most of the world would consider 'sexy'.
I think these men who write such ignorant things need to work a rape crisis centre - if they can stomach it - for a week or two and find out what exactly rape is. It has NOTHING to do with sex. The so-called sex is only the weapon used to rip apart another human being's spirit and life.
UPDATE: To all you fools who gave me a thumbs down....here's your link....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louim鈥?/a>
It is very easy to live in your own heads and tell yourselves that life is how you make it but the reality is: We DON'T live in a dream world and we don't live in a world where you can take your own ego or arrogance and decide that 'everything is 'ok'....
Well said, good on you!
Power to Feminists!
Tera -
I like you - you're cute - and sweet... And soooooooo patient!
How DO you do it?!!
Sexy time for you!
TERA, you're very misinformed. I don't know where to begin.
There's a common misconception that there is no opposing argument to feminism.
There's a common misconception that men aren't discriminated against by women.
There's a common misconception that misandry doesn't exist (in fact, many have not even heard of the term itself).
There's a common misconception that men enjoy power and privelege in every aspect of society.
By simply countering these notions, and continuing to counter these notions -- we are actually providing a diverse range of views for others to indulge on. We are providing a ';level playing field'; to what was once a feminist monopoly.
You call it ';rants';, I call it legitimate complaints. Many men (and women) are truly passionate about their views against feminism -- it's not merely ';trolling'; for a ';reaction'; like some of you feminists seem to imply.
Yes, most women believe in equal treatment for both genders. You also conveniently left out that most men believe in equal treatment for both genders. And even more convenient, you left out that most anti-feminists believe in equal treatment for both genders. Most anti-feminists became anti-feminists because they realized feminisn does not represent true gender-equality, but rather preferential treatment for women at the expense of men. You have a flawed assumption in implying that anti-feminism = anti-equality and anti-woman. No, anti-feminism = anti-feminism.
We may not change your ';minds';, but I guarantee we have made a great effect on this forum. Imagine if no opposing argument to feminism here existed, and this entire forum was just one monopolized feminist male-bashing orgy? Well, we definitely didn't allow that to happen. Also, we've also changed the minds of *potential* feminist women that were in limbo, unsure of which direction to take. I've received many e-mails from women telling me that I've provided them a lot of insight, and how they refuse to align themselves with feminism and misandry -- some even said they made these decisions after reading many of my posts.
I also reject your statement that this is a ';women's forum';. That was an incredibly sexist statement you made. Men have as much of a right to post here as women. Are you saying that men should have no input on issues regarding gender and women? There is no rule on Answers stating that this forum is for women only.
Your question here only shows how little you understand of a much bigger picture. The righteous and moral protests against feminism %26amp; misandry will continue. The fight against feminism and misandry on this forum (and in society) will continue to gain momentum. The support for men's rights will only continue to grow. There's nothing you can do about it, so deal with it. The only way you can stop it is if you stop misandry.
What we ';hope to accomplish'; here is a balanced discourse that involves men's issues and concerns as well, in a feminist society that wishes to shun all men's legitimate complaints, and only focus on women's issues.
We will CONTINUE to illuminate the misandry and feminist hypocrisy that hurts men, which is prevalent in society -- whether you like it or not.
EDIT: Tera, how about reading my entire answer? Saying ';oh yeah, but men do it too'; is immature and adds nothing to the discussion. You failed at refuting any of my answers to your questions. Your entire question is flawed from the root.
EDIT: Tera, let me just add that Mitch Burley completely SLAYED you and your argument, and debunked your flawed, anti-male assertions. I'd like to see you either logically refute his point, or to actually take in what he said with an open-mind from an educational perspective.
It's apparent that you're not really looking for ';answers'; from the ';anti-feminists';. You're not looking to be educated by the answers from the ';anti-feminists';. You're only looking for people to blindly agree with you. As you admitted yourself, you're ';just here to vent';.
EDIT: Saberchick, many men post up legitimate, civilized questions that is somewhat critical of an aspect of feminism, and the misandrist feminist women will go on the attack. Another thing we have a problem with, is with feminists painting all women and feminists as angels, even though we've seen some very rude, evil, nasty feminist women that have unfairly attacked men.
Also, according to Flyinghorse, our complaints against feminism and misandry is just a figment of our fantastical imaginations. There is actually no misandry or socially-accepted anti-male culture that men have to live with everyday. We just decided to make it up, because according to the pseudo-poet Flyinghorse, we have boring jobs and are unattractive.
Women that are in denial and claim that misandry and anti-male sexism doesn't exist, are anti-male sexists themselves.
EDIT (Flyinghorse): I read your entire answer. It was filled with anti-male bias and support for male-bashing women. You women support the same anti-male system you claim doesn't exist, without even knowing it.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Well done.
While I will admit that a few of the anti-feminists here have made occasional good points, the others here are simply striving for a dominance in this forum that will never come.
TERA is deluded
I'm actually pretty active in real life. Me and many of my male friends are starting a Male only discussion group to discuss Men issue and to fight feminism and their hypocrisy.
We hope to educate people on what a sham feminism is, and what a hazard it is to society.
We want to be part of the solution. You don't mind being part of the problem.
Sounds like a b**ch fight coming!
Yes a womans place is in the kitchen.
In the bedroom.
And outside mowing the lawn.
Washing the car.
Doing the housework.
And most important of all: Pleasing her man.
We train them for years and still they're not happy!
';And so never the twain shall meet';?
';Jaw-jaw is better than war-war';?
I'll be back ...
@TERA - No offence intended, lovie, but this forum IS called ';Gender %26amp; Women's Studies'; and is open to both sexes. Personally I think it should be renamed ';Gender Studies'; to avoid further confusion.
I hope that they will agree to stay in the kitchen cooking dinner for us men and that they will do what they are told and speak only when spoken to. And they should also have the house clean for us coming home from work or else there will be trouble, and they should also do everything to please us in bed or else we can bring our bit on the side home instead
nothing just another popular sport get us a beer will ya
Anti-feminists think they are right so they think they can change minds. Just like religious people are convinced that their religion is the one true path to god. They can't help it. The best thing you can do is to feel sorry for them because they are not caught up with the 21st century.
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